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TCP-Group Digest            Wed, 10 Aug 94       Volume 94 : Issue  169

Today's Topics:
                PK-88 for TCP/IP in KISS mode (3 msgs)
                      TCP-Group Digest V94 #168
                        uploaded wnos4a11.tgz

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Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 7:43:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Greg Merrell <[e-mail]>
Subject: PK-88 for TCP/IP in KISS mode
To: [e-mail]

Dave Golden N1IMS ([e-mail]) asked:

> Are there any known problems using a PK-88 with GRINOS (or any other
> NOS variant)?  I seem to have a good signal into the local switches,
> but invariably I have problems making connections, etc after a few
> minutes.  I used to blame it on hidden transmitters, etc. but I'm
> wondering if there may be other forces at work. AX25 connections appear
> to work normally even while the IP stuff goes to heck.

I've found that many connectivity/reliability problems can be fixed by
properly setting the deviation level of the transmitter. Most of the TNC's
I've seen have the level set way too hot and the end result is distortion at
the receive end. There are two reasonable ways that I use to set the level:

1) Borrow a deviation meter and set the level to between 3 and 3.5 KHz (this
is the best way!) or

2) Get another radio so you can listen to your packet station. Set the tx
deviation level to max and hear what it sounds like. For many radios, this is
around 6-7 KHz deviation. Then back it off until it sounds only about half as
loud. Even thought it is very subjective, it is usually close enough and is at
least low enough to prevent the distortion.

When I first got involved in packet my station was really 'hot' and my connect
rate was very sporadic. Once I set the level down, it connected right up and
I've had no problems since.

Greg

===============================My return addresses are========================
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Date: Tue, 9 Aug 94 21:00:26 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Ron Atkinson  N8FOW)
Subject: PK-88 for TCP/IP in KISS mode
To: [e-mail]

> Are there any known problems using a PK-88 with GRINOS (or any other
> NOS variant)?  I seem to have a good signal into the local switches,
> but invariably I have problems making connections, etc after a few
> minutes.  I used to blame it on hidden transmitters, etc. but I'm
> wondering if there may be other forces at work. AX25 connections appear
> to work normally even while the IP stuff goes to heck.

We had a switch site that had a PK-88 on it (was a NOS system switch)
and the tnc would lock up a lot or just plain quit working. It always
worked in cmd: mode though.  A local TCP/IP'er here had a PK-88 and he
ran into the exact same problems. Plus there was a chirp on the transmit
that could not be fixed (without maybe a component change) when it was
in KISS mode. Plus it went deaf a lot.  He finally replaced it with a
Kantronics tnc. The PK-88 works just great though in cmd: mode.  Also
a local FBB put a PK-88 online in KISS mode with BPQ. The exact same
problems as the other 2 systems occured. WOrked great in cmd: mode though.

I believe that there is something wrong with PK-88's and KISS mode, but
some people have no problems. The tnc's I described were bought over a
few years, so I doubt serial numbers of software versions were close.
PK-232's and PK-900's work fine though in KISS mode.

Ron N8FOW

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Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:44:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: Gerald J Creager <[e-mail]>
Subject: PK-88 for TCP/IP in KISS mode
To: [e-mail] (Ron Atkinson N8FOW)

Just a thought... I seem to recall finding that long packets (> 1000 bytes)
died on the pk-88.  I could be wrong, tho'.  It just might be > 1k.  We were
trying to operate on a "safe" channel in a lan configuration, and had cranked
the parameters up to ethernet standards...

73, gerry  n5jxs
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TCP-Group Digest            Tue,  9 Aug 94       Volume 94 : Issue  168

Today's Topics:
                            DNS  (4 msgs)
                 NET/ROM, TexNet and Rose Information
                           SMTP LZW oddity
                  TCP-Group Digest V94 #167 (2 msgs)

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Date: Mon, 08 Aug 94 16:23:00 -0000
From: [e-mail] (Mike Bilow)
Subject: DNS
To: [e-mail]

 RF> I need to configure ka9q as a DNS.  The version that I have does not
 RF> appear to support DNS.  Therefore which copy of ka9q or other variety of
 RF> nos do I require to produce a DNS

My advice is: don't do it.  If you need a good, reliable name server, use
Linux.  None of the NOS DNS code I have seen correctly implements the most
basic elements of the standards, such as TTL and authoritativeness, and is
really only useful in slave mode.  The Linux named seems to be very solid, and
has all of the same bells and whistles as BSD Unix.

If you need to put it on the radio, then you could try the kernel patches for
AX.25 or even link the Linux box to a KA9Q machine with Ethernet.

-- Mike

P.S. We found a bug in the 1.1.39 Linux beta kernel that affects DNS.  If you
are a primary authoritative server from which secondary authoritative servers
attempt to do zone refresh, the zone refresh fails.  We don't know why, but the
current release kernel, 1.0.9, works fine.

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Date: Mon, 08 Aug 1994 17:33:09 -0400
From: "Brandon S. Allbery" <[e-mail]>
Subject: DNS
To: [e-mail]

In your message of Mon, 08 Aug 1994 16:23:00 -0000, you write:
+---------------
| My advice is: don't do it.  If you need a good, reliable name server, use
| Linux.  None of the NOS DNS code I have seen correctly implements the most
| basic elements of the standards, such as TTL and authoritativeness, and is
| really only useful in slave mode.  The Linux named seems to be very solid,
and
| has all of the same bells and whistles as BSD Unix.
+------------->8

That's because it *is* the BSD named... Linux kernel networking code isn't
based on BSD kernel networking code, but most of the non-kernel network code
is straight BSD.

| If you need to put it on the radio, then you could try the kernel patches for
| AX.25 or even link the Linux box to a KA9Q machine with Ethernet.
+------------->8

Or JNOS/Linux via SLIP over a pty (works fine here!).

++Brandon
--
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH     [44.70.4.88]          [e-mail]
Linux development:  iBCS2, JNOS, MH

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Date: Mon, 08 Aug 1994 17:33:09 -0400
From: "Brandon S. Allbery" <[e-mail]>
Subject: DNS
To: [e-mail]

In your message of Mon, 08 Aug 1994 16:23:00 -0000, you write:
+---------------
| My advice is: don't do it.  If you need a good, reliable name server, use
| Linux.  None of the NOS DNS code I have seen correctly implements the most
| basic elements of the standards, such as TTL and authoritativeness, and is
| really only useful in slave mode.  The Linux named seems to be very solid,
and
| has all of the same bells and whistles as BSD Unix.
+------------->8

That's because it *is* the BSD named... Linux kernel networking code isn't
based on BSD kernel networking code, but most of the non-kernel network code
is straight BSD.

| If you need to put it on the radio, then you could try the kernel patches for
| AX.25 or even link the Linux box to a KA9Q machine with Ethernet.
+------------->8

Or JNOS/Linux via SLIP over a pty (works fine here!).

++Brandon
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Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 23:24:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Subject: DNS
To: [e-mail]

> Which version of NOS has DNS?

The versions in ftp.ucsd.edu:/hamradio/packet/tcpip

    /ka9q        (NOS)
    /pa0gri        (GRINOS)
    /wg7j        (JNOS)

My favorite is NetBSD, GRINOS, JNOS, NOS, in that order :-)
But I just got my copy of Yggdrasil Linux, so we'll
see how it's DNS (named) fairs...

--
Steve, N5OWK

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Date: Mon, 8 Aug 94 11:42 CST
From: [e-mail] (Eduardo Millar)
Subject: NET/ROM, TexNet and Rose Information
To: [e-mail]

Hello: Does anyone could give me  information about NET/ROM, TexNet and Rose?

 _____________________________________________________________________

   Eduardo Millar C.             e-mail: [e-mail]
   Proyecto Enlaces              fono/fax: 250759
   Universidad de la frontera    Casilla 380 Temuco - Chile
 _____________________________________________________________________

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Date: Mon, 08 Aug 94 16:33:00 -0000
From: [e-mail] (Mike Bilow)
Subject: SMTP LZW oddity
To: [e-mail]

 A> In all the code I've seen (apart from my own modified versions),
 A> the SMTP LZW exchange goes like this:

 A> Client sends   "XLZW <x> <y>"

 A> Server checks that it can do LZW with these parameters, if so it
 A> replies with   "25n XLZW <m> <n> OK" and goes to compressed mode.

 A> The client checks the response, and iff (m = x) and (n = y) then
 A> it too goes to compressed mode.

It is not true that (m = x) and (n = y) are the requirements.  In fact, the
requirement is only that (m <= x) and (n <= y), as I recall.

 A> My question is: why does the client check <m> and <n> ? It's too
 A> late for the client to decide to not go to compressed mode - the
 A> server has already gone compressed.

The client offers to do compression and says, "I have enough memory and
processing resources to use a maximum of (x, y) compression.  How are you
feeling today?"  The server may then answer, "I have only enough resources to
do (m, n) compression, where (m < x) or (n < y)."

 A> The server code looks as though, in theory, it could return different
 A> values from those the client supplied.

As long as the protocol requires that the server return a maximum of the offer
made by client, there is no problem.  After all, the server cannot use higher
compression than the client is capable of supporting.

 A> There may not necessarily be a problem in practice, but from a
 A> protocol point of view the exchange seems wrong.

It probably could have been done better.

-- Mike

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Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 09:51:28 CET
From: "Jack Stiekema" <[e-mail]>
Subject: TCP-Group Digest V94 #167
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]

>>Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 23:42:15 -0700
>>From: [e-mail] (Roy Freeman)
>>To: [e-mail]
>>
>>I need to configure ka9q as a DNS.  The version that I have does not appear
>>to support DNS.  Therefore which copy of ka9q or other variety of
>>nos do I require to produce a DNS

The originals are at ftp.ucsd.edu somewhere in
pub/ham/packet/tcpip/ka9q.
There is also a working exe with DNS.

Cheers,


Kind regards,
Jack Stiekema
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TCP-Group Digest            Mon,  8 Aug 94       Volume 94 : Issue  167

Today's Topics:
                           SMTP LZW oddity

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Date: Mon, 8 Aug 94 09:46:48 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: SMTP LZW oddity
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]

In all the code I've seen (apart from my own modified versions),
the SMTP LZW exchange goes like this:

Client sends   "XLZW <x> <y>"

Server checks that it can do LZW with these parameters, if so it
replies with   "25n XLZW <m> <n> OK" and goes to compressed mode.

The client checks the response, and iff (m = x) and (n = y) then
it too goes to compressed mode.


My question is: why does the client check <m> and <n> ? It's too
late for the client to decide to not go to compressed mode - the
server has already gone compressed.

The server code looks as though, in theory, it could return different
values from those the client supplied.
There may not necessarily be a problem in practice, but from a
protocol point of view the exchange seems wrong.


Andrew Benham
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Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 23:42:15 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Roy Freeman)
To: [e-mail]

I need to configure ka9q as a DNS.  The version that I have does not appear
to support DNS.  Therefore which copy of ka9q or other variety of
nos do I require to produce a DNS

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Date: Mon, 08 Aug 1994 20:39:11 -0400
From: "Scot M. Gardner" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

+- On Monday (8/8/1994 18:11) "Scot M. Gardner" <[e-mail]> Wrote-

Ack! My appologies. That was supposed to be to tcp-group-request,
NOT to tcp-group.

A previous sysadmin subscribed root and now I'm trying
to get off! Of course, I don't know what they subscribed
under.

Can list admin remove me, please??!

Once again, my apologies.

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Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 18:11:11 -0400
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Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 08:58:07 EST
From: BARRY TITMARSH <[e-mail]>
Subject: uploaded wnos4a11.tgz
To: TCP-GROUP <[e-mail]>

Hi just another version of wnos src code.
please feel free to do what ever you wish with it.
test it hack it about even discard it.

this version is much hacked about in netrom nntp and ftp cli/serv
the memory leak is gone as far as i can see. I have compiled it ONLY
with BC++ 2.00 as BC++ 3.x seems to bring out the worst case of mem leak
i have seen. so please dont use BC++ 3.x only use version 2.00

as always no garantes use at your risk,

im working on dama_slave to this code. and will likely get some time to
finish that soon. (3-5 weeks)
wnos-5 is not completely dead, im makeing a hacked version that
works time permitting. and with co-coperation of others hb9zz dg1zx
dl6zba and any others that might feel free to hack at the code.
wnos-5 src and docs are in ftp.ucsd.edu
as is wnos4a11.tgz  = tar.gz  cos i do it on my linux box.
there are dos utils called tar.exe and gzip.exe about to unpack the
file if you done have a unix box to hand.
habe fun Barry dc0hk/gm8sau

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